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Old 21.04.2004, 01:45   #11 (permalink)
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Default Re: Mambo 4.6 / 5?

I doubt this superhacked core would be compatible with the v5.0 since with the introduction of XML-RPC and all (I guess) most of the core code if not all, would be replaced with a whole new codebase. And you would also soon end up with a codebase that would require components to be made in 2 versions, one for the original v4.5 core, and one for the superhack core. And such a fork would not benefit the community...
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Old 21.04.2004, 05:11   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not speaking about a fork. If I wanted another CMS, then I would probably start from scratch and build it based on Mojavi (MVC 2), WACT, or Ambivalence (Maverick). I'm more interested in eliminating the need to say 'it's coming in 5.0' in the interest of encouraging more developers to migrate to Mambo and giving users things they ask for.

There are large numbers of valuable hacks hidden away in message threads that the average user would have difficulty installing themselves with no knowledge of PHP or SQL. We could put together a team from the community and start a project where those features could be integrated into a core superpack. After each maintenance release, those enhancements could be added to the superpack file set using a file comparator such as BeyondCompare. It's also possible to add those improvements using conditionals from admin, so the site admin could make intelligent decisions about what to enable or disable based on their needs. The interface for doing that could be a component.

Gayle had a good idea earlier about making the existing class library extensible. There is no reason why one or more XML-RPC or SOAP server/client could not be created in component form based on class libraries absorbed into the core using that method. It could be used for multisite and inter-application authentication replication or could be used in conjunction with the existing metabloggarapi library.

As Andrew has already indicated, adding ADODB opened the door to make it easier to complete the phpGACL implementation. This could be done now for 4.5 with the ADODB extension. A lot of other nice libraries are built on top of ADODB (dbForms is an example).

Take sub_templates as another example. Part of the reason why they cannot be implemented simpler is because table rows are missing from the menu creation forms. For Content Section, Content Category, Content Section Archive and Content Category Archive, adding a single table row to those forms will add the necessary textarea field to make it work. The rest of the code has been in there since the betas. It would take a bit of sleuthing, but adding sub_template support to Typed Content and URL menu types should be possible. Many people want this feature, but it appears to be a low priority item for the core team.

I have not taken a look at MambelFish lately, but I would guess that it may be possible to use mapping tables to implement it without modifying each and every component.

Basically, there are a lot of things that could be done to 4.5 to enhance what's there. It's my guess that some brainstorming sessions about 5.0 roadmap features might yield some ideas on implementing many of those features with minimal changes to the 4.5 core.

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Old 27.04.2004, 15:02   #13 (permalink)
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thanks a lot!

Summay:
* No 4.6
* No XHTML/CSS before 5.0 (except for xMambo)
* 5.0 will take a while (rest of the year...(?))

I dont like this news but its good to know!
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Please: Someone help me to understand the communication-structure of this community...

After some time trying to find out if there will be an 4.6 release (see this thread) it seemed as if there wont be one.

Now I read: There will be a 4.6.
http://www.mamboserver.com/content/M...opment_Update/
http://www.mamboreport.de/index.php?...sk=view&id=201

But nothing said about xhtml/css =(.
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Old 27.04.2004, 15:24   #14 (permalink)
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Version 4.5.1.0.8 was renamed to 4.6 over the last 24 hours. Aside from the bug fixes and new features mentioned earlier for 4.5.1.0.8, the rest is a mystery. They will probably leak out more information as the release date approaches.
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Old 27.04.2004, 15:49   #15 (permalink)
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I just took another look at the post on the mamboserver.com frontpage. The area of interest was the following:
  • Migration of content, category and module functions in administration to component format.

In an earlier post on mamboserver.com, Andrew Eddie mentioned a move to phpGACL AXO format for categorizing all content and element information. This was the precursor to getting permissions and search operations to work in Mambo on a site wide basis. It also meant a move to a standardized model for storing the data for all components as well as content. Thus, I would suspect that the 4.6 version includes an updated phpGACL implementation with a partial or complete permissions system. Just a guess on my part, but it seems likely.

With a the new content/element model in place, I would think that developers could start to work on components, modules, mosbots and other elements in advance of 5.0 or at least the mechanics of those elements, probably less support for xhtml/css. This move makes a lot of sense to me, assuming it does happen.
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Old 27.04.2004, 15:50   #16 (permalink)
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I didn't even find a news that there will be a 1.0.8 -- what do I have to do to keep update ;-)?
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Old 27.04.2004, 16:51   #17 (permalink)
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Any news can be found on http://www.mamboserver.com.

I don't think they are fully sure what they want to include in this release, so don't want to announce what will be released. It would seem that, other than the bug fixes, the biggest reason for this would be to get developers somewhat acclimated to what is to come in 5.0. That will be a huge change.
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Old 27.04.2004, 17:21   #18 (permalink)
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Any news can be found on http://www.mamboserver.com.
Well i am reading about 8 RSS-Feed including mamboserver.com. Cannot remember something about 1.0.8.

But anyway - let's wait and see whats comming


PS: IMO the community needs some more clear communication-structure

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If you look in Mambo.php, you'll notice that that have a stub in there for displaying a default page. I'm assuming that this is intended for displaying a specific component in Admin. An RSS feed would fit nicely with this.

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Well i am reading about 8 RSS-Feed including mamboserver.com. Cannot remember something about 1.0.8.

But anyway - letzt wait and see whats comming


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Old 28.04.2004, 11:06   #20 (permalink)
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If you look in Mambo.php, you'll notice that that have a stub in there for displaying a default page. I'm assuming that this is intended for displaying a specific component in Admin. An RSS feed would fit nicely with this.
Sorry, dont understand what you are refering to :-?

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