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[manuman]

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[RejuviNET.com]

Originally Posted by nkr1ptd

[color=Indigo]First of all read the above responses to the template question, but just in case you missed the first two times we do NOT charge for the actual template but for our services to modify the template the way the clients want it to look. Logo, text, image modifications, etc. If your template is up on our site please let us know, and we will remove it. If your template is not on our site, then your template did not pass our marketing department reviews. As far as the experience-the owners do have the experience, however that does not mean that they are creating our customer templates or making chages to the GPLed templates. Also there is nothing in the GPL that says one cannot sell something that is GPLed. I don't see people complaining about someone charging a client for adding a shopping cart, or other features to their site and those modules and components are GPLed too. We just don't hide behind what we use-we put it out there for everyone. If a client signs up and wants to put Mambo and a template up themselves then that is fine. We will even install Mambo for them for FREE!!!! However, when we make changes to templates we have to charge for our services. Again go back and read any of the the template pages carefully and you will see.
Thanks and hope everyone has a great life!

-nkr1ptd

You'll have to excuse the "trepidation" a lot of people will have here. Not speaking for anyone else here, I have been around for a long, LONG time, and know most if the GPL templaters that have been released. Hell - I've ENVIED a lot of them, especially from iDigital and MamboSolutions....

But they were released as FREE templates for the use of the Mambo community. You have to expect that when they see a $300 or $400 price tag on them they're going to react. I'd be the first to cry foul if I saw one of my templates on your site trying to make money on something you didn't do... It's the nature of the business.

Select a free design template from our gallery to give your business website a creative and unique look. Template pricing includes formatting the template design to meet your business needs, adding text and images for a 5-page website. We also offer additional services to suit your business web design needs.

That came from your site - but it doesn't explain where the templates came from, nor does it give credit to the original authors. You make it seem like you did them yourself.

I don't think a "witch hunt", as you put it, was the case. It's the people who put in a lot of time and effort into the templates you're charging hundreds for trying to get you to understand that what you're doing is wrong.

Sell them as part of an overall package? Fine.

But give credit where credit is due - and maybe send them a percentage of every template of theirs that you sell.

Now I have to see if any of MY templates are there.... <sigh>

[absalom]

Can't seem to find any templates on appws.com?

Has there been a takedown or what?

[nkr1ptd]

Ah, the "witch hunt" begins again. We took down all the templates. The funny thing is NO ONE wanted any of them. We always end up creating custome templates from scratch. While we dont list all of the template creators, when showing clients possibilities we do leave the authors name, website, etc in the template so clients can see who the author was. I noticed on your site that you sell custom made templates; however, it is very confusing for people when you purchase a temlate so that it is removed from your site (which I assume means you will not sell it to anyone else, but it is not directly stated on your site), kinda makes it seem as if no one else can purchase that template. What happens when someone payed you a smaller price to use it and then someone else buys it from you. That is extremely misleading. You should have listed on your site how many people have purchased each template. Beyond that, if you use open source tools to create you template then you should credit those authors for without them you would not be able to supply templates to people.

If you are releasing templates to the world, then you have no right to tell people how/when/where to use those templates.

I think may find that you are violating the same principals that you feel we are violating. I personally give to several of the open source projects out there. As we grow, I will continue to donate, time and money to those projects and more. I have also been around the open source for quite some time. I dont think Linus, BSD, Sendmail, Apache, etc authors complain about how their products are used by the commercial industry. So why should you? Are you better than everyone else?

Also we recieved you bashing email, and appreciate it very much. I will be kind enough to post it to the forum later today with direct responses.

I think maybe you should start giving credit where credit is do on your site as well. I think you not only list mambo, but mysql, apache, any apache modules that your using, the os, email, etc...make sure that you dont leave anyone out because they might get their feelings hurt....I think you will find that many times it is better to NOT list everyone so that you dont forget someone that it is to forget someone.

People are quicker to bash people, rather than ask questions to find answer. You have made a lot of assumptions, in this post and your email. Maybe you should look at how you do business and how to make things better than giving someone else a hard time.

For everyone once again we do NOT charge for the actual templates. But knowing that people will rarely want excactly what is on a template, we have allocated various prices to each, based on previous experience with clients in our area. Now that being said, we have REMOVED all the templates from our site...we have not had ONE client who liked any of the templates. I have even walked clients through several of the Mambo sites to show other templates...most clients want custom looks and feels....there is the kicker, we have quickly discovered that MOST people dont want a portal look and feel...clients want a website look and feel like they want. The normally do not want something that looks like what someone else already has. So most of our clients sites, use Mambo, but most people would have no idea that it is actually Mambo. We can convert almost any look and feel that someone already has or wants into a template that will work with Mambo.

The is the last time, I will post on this issue. If you guys have problems I suggest that you look at the things that you are doing before casting the first stone. And make sure that you are not living in a glass house.

Just my $0.02.

[absalom]

Originally Posted by nkr1ptd

Ah, the "witch hunt" begins again. We took down all the templates. The funny thing is NO ONE wanted any of them. We always end up creating custome templates from scratch. While we dont list all of the template creators, when showing clients possibilities we do leave the authors name, website, etc in the template so clients can see who the author was.
I noticed on your site that you sell custom made templates; however, it is very confusing for people when you purchase a temlate so that it is removed from your site (which I assume means you will not sell it to anyone else, but it is not directly stated on your site), kinda makes it seem as if no one else can purchase that template.

The terms and conditions listed on my website clearly outline what people are purchasing, and that doesn't involve end-users holding copyright over code. Perhaps, in your haste to lambast people within the Mambo community, you forgot to check them?

What happens when someone payed you a smaller price to use it and then someone else buys it from you. That is extremely misleading.

I've never been in the situation you speak of. I have never released copyright control over my design work to anyone thus far; although I have been approached on numerous occassions to sign over copyright. Currently, nobody has made me an offer that measures up to the value of copyright over code and layout on any of my work.

You should have listed on your site how many people have purchased each template.

Under the terms and conditions of sale, I don't need to list how many people purchased whatever template. Perhaps you should rethink your business plan and practise before you go around telling established designers in the Mambo community how to run their business.

Beyond that, if you use open source tools to create you template then you should credit those authors for without them you would not be able to supply templates to people.

I do credit people. Take a long look at the GPL templates I release - the changelog lists all the way back to 2001 for some templates.

If you are releasing templates to the world, then you have no right to tell people how/when/where to use those templates.

Since I release some of my templates under Creative Commons licencing, I do retain some rights in regards to whether or not people use my designs commercially, whether or not they attribute the existing code (which they can then modify) to me, and how the people who use my designs can distribute their modified work.

Furthermore, under the GPL itself, it states that copyright is still copyright - under no circumstances can anyone relicence a GPL design and sell it commercially. You have been exposed as doing the latter.

Heck, even Arthur Konze releases templates to the community free, but he still retains copyright over them. Copyright is different than distribution - and the GPL is a way of open, mass distribution of a product.

I think may find that you are violating the same principals that you feel we are violating. I personally give to several of the open source projects out there. As we grow, I will continue to donate, time and money to those projects and more. I have also been around the open source for quite some time. I dont think Linus, BSD, Sendmail, Apache, etc authors complain about how their products are used by the commercial industry. So why should you? Are you better than everyone else?

I'm not better than anyone else. I have significant experience in dealing with design piracy, copyright and licencing (GPL, Creative Commons and commercial licencing), since my designs have been pirated quite often.

Also we recieved you bashing email, and appreciate it very much. I will be kind enough to post it to the forum later today with direct responses.

I never sent you an email. Is this entire rant directed towards Rejuvinet? If so, why did you answer my question at the beginning (and make this post directed at me)?

I think maybe you should start giving credit where credit is do on your site as well. I think you not only list mambo, but mysql, apache, any apache modules that your using, the os, email, etc...make sure that you dont leave anyone out because they might get their feelings hurt....I think you will find that many times it is better to NOT list everyone so that you dont forget someone that it is to forget someone.

If that's so, why doesn't your website have a public link to Cyberdine Systems for the SK Business template you've modified as your frontpage for appws.com?

Practise what you preach.

People are quicker to bash people, rather than ask questions to find answer. You have made a lot of assumptions, in this post and your email. Maybe you should look at how you do business and how to make things better than giving someone else a hard time.

I never sent you an email. Perhaps you have confused me with Dave Daoust of Rejuvinet?

The is the last time, I will post on this issue. If you guys have problems I suggest that you look at the things that you are doing before casting the first stone.

I have, and none of the claims you state match anything in my business. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the problems are of your own creation, either through misunderstanding of what the Mambo community is, misunderstanding of licences, or willful ignorance on your part.

And make sure that you are not living in a glass house.

I'm not living in a glass house.

Your knowledge of my business has been shown as contradictory to the truth.
Your knowledge of the Mambo community seems limited.
Your knowledge of licencing and copyright law seems almost non-existent.

[nkr1ptd]

absalom none of this was directed at you. As one replies to the forum not the person when you click reply I dont have a choice of the person to whom I reply, only for forum...it is not about you. Are you a little paranoid for some reason?? Why would I have detailed responses/replies to you if you only mentioned you did not see any templates? I would not. So this message must be directed on someone else... Rejuvinet.

As such I am not going to waste my time going through your points as your reply has no bearing on my reply which was not directed at you. The only point that I am going address is your so called expertise with copywrite issues....check with your attorney, but if someone puts their stuff under GPL, which many people do, and do not tie it to another type of copywrite then it is free to distribute in a commercial fashion..Linux being a great example. The point that was made that you missed, is this....we are letting people use the FREE templates for FREE....key word being FREE, we are not charging for the template only the modification of the template and putting the content on the page...nothing more, nothing less.

absalom, next time dont jump to conclusions that someone's post is directed at you just because it is posted below your post. If I could have moved it up under the other mis-guided comment, then I would have.

As for as knowledge, I have no interest in your business, I understand Mambo and licensing just fine...matter of fact I even read the fine print...btw. dont make assumptions about people you do not know.

[wolfgrl]

This question is addressed to Absalom and Rejuvinet.com- What is it about FREE templates do you guys not understand?

Rejuvinet you have even posted an excerpt from our website which clearly states that the templates themselves are FREE. The actual charge was for the work that was being done to modify the template to suit the client's needs and to add content. Of course we're going to charge for doing the work to make the modifications. I mean come on guys, this is becoming a little ridiculous. At no time have we ever charged anyone for any templates that were not designed by our company. So Rejuvinet-you feel as though you are entitled to a percentage of the money that we would make from doing the work to modify the template and add content? Ridiculous. For submitting your templates to the Open Source community you seem to be very motivated by receiving compensation for what you supposedly gave for free.


Rejuvinet in your e-mail to us you stated:

Each template I make personally takes a minimum EIGHT HOURS. On average it's about 12-14 hours, meaning if I'm lucky I'll make an average of $4 an hour, maybe $5... The template you snagged that's attributed to me - that one took 16 hours and then some, and that was over a year ago. Let's average out a minimum wage of say $6 an hour (split the difference between Canadian and US rates) and you're stealing $96 every time you charge your $300 or so for that template.

That's very interesting that you claim you make $4 maybe $5 an hour, but yet on your website you are charging $99.99 for each template to be sold to up to 10 people (which compared to our prices yours seems to be a little excessive). I would say you're making a little more than $4 or $5 per hour at those prices. And again the $300 is NOT for the template design. It is for the work to make modifications. Also, if you took the time to read through the posts we have made throughout this thread you would have seen where we have stated that if there is someone who does not wish to have there template offered on our site then all they need to do is just let us know and we'd be happy to remove it. You're obviously just looking for a battle.

We can only explain it to you in so many different ways. FREE TEMPLATE means FREE TEMPLATE.

And of course as we have also stated since we began offering the templates to our clients we have not had any clients who requested one of the pre-designed templates. They have all preferred to have a custom designed template to give their business site a unique look.

So, this is really a pointless arguement. At no time have we ever charged for an Open Source template. We have seen no market for the Open Source templates with our client base thus far.

Rejuvinet-we are a company that is client focused. Our goal is to provide our clients with quality web designs at reasonable prices. We also take hosting our clients' sites-personal or business-very seriously. We are very security-minded and since beginning our business have had very little server downtime (this has been for upgrades). So, before you try to drag our company name through the mud maybe you should rather focus your time and energy on your own business.

-wolfgrl