MEDIC! I need a Chatroom Server...

[WebCruzer]

~Venting~...

After being exposed to LiNUX for some time now, (4-5 yrs) I have seen alot of progress made on GPL/GNU Applications to help programmers learn and produce fine LiNUX Material. (Mambo is one of those applications)..

Recently, Microsoft decided to cancel the FREE MSN Chats in sections, preventing us from using a great source for communicating.. Sure theres IRC and the Networks, but reality shows most (Windowz) users don't know IRC and its functions.. I Like it, but now I'm struggling to find that "Alternate" source..

I NEED YOUR HELP!!!
I have decided to combat a project head on and have run into some trouble finding the right source.. I want to run a CHATROOM on my server, intergrated into Mambo OR not, thats not a big issue..

123 FlashChat has the right Idea, others offer trials and offers source for cost..but who pays for Open Source? eh'..Cost not an Issue, we LiNUX nuts learn a great deal more when source is available!! I'm dreaming of running a chatroom similar to the functions of the ol' MSN Chat..

Here's my plan.. I need to find the resources to run a Java or Flash Chatroom. Server Side .. LiNUX of course.. Clients.. well it has to have a great ADMIN function and easy to use for windows users.. The client can advertise US, the programmers.. we can use our knowledge to give the Open Source world a very COOL Chatroom.. but were do I start?

If You.. my friends of the LiNUX community has any info on how WE can make a COOL Chatroom Server.. send me a line.. I beleive WE can make history on this one!!

[TJay]

This would be awesome. I have been waiting (something I hate) for the guys over at flashchat to realize that Mambo is a more important port than some of these smaller CMS's.
We need a good chat server indeed.
I wish I knew how to help, all I can do is cheerlead

[WebCruzer]

So Far, the only thing that comes close to Open Source Chat is JABBER.
http://www.jabber.org/

Its an IM Server with JABBER Clients, but seems to have a feature to host CHATROOMS... I've called Sherlock Holmes to help investigate this source..

[userID10T]

You can try MOS-Chat component for mambo.

You can get it from www.userID10T.com (latest stuff) or www.mosforge.net

Peter

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by WebCruzer

So Far, the only thing that comes close to Open Source Chat is JABBER.
http://www.jabber.org/

*cough*IRC*cough*

[DeadZen]

Hey gayle... thanks for the nuke2mos script, great work.
Very simple too.. taught me a lot in a little bit about,
the database abstraction layer and authentication
configuration. I been out of the mambo loop a bit...

What you're doing btw, simply, is comparing IRC to Jabber.
Which is comparing an archaic bug ridden relayed chat server to a
w3c's compliant xml based multi network
multi presence communications server.
with innate security chat, im and offline messaging features.

Now I LOVE IRC... but it's not a safe thing by any means, and
even if it was safe, I don't think anyone feels like teaching newbies
irc commands... some people simply CANNOT LEARN IT. (& they're not stupid)

Me though... I lived on EFnet dang near 9 years. I know it like
the back of my hand... Normally I would be like.. communications?
reliable? redundant? IRC!... not anymore man..

The conglomerates AOL and MSN and Yahoo are OWNING the
communications mediums, IRC is a rougue network.. We need
mainstream stuff like jabber... It's very extensible and it's open source.

Seriously the best option for everybody is to find out a way for us to
have the FlashChat from http://tufat.com/script.php?id_num=2
integrated with mambo and jabber. with group based acl's
limiting what users other users can see while having the
ability of external messaging communications with your
web application.

You guys seem to forget... there's a billion jabber clients,
written for every os... in every language... and it looks
just like an Aol instant messenger... Imagine having one
that was totally your own.

Am I overly presumptious here? I thought we all wanted some
kick butt congregational tools.

[DeadZen]

I wonder if this is a dead topic :-(

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by DeadZen

Me though... I lived on EFnet dang near 9 years. I know it like
the back of my hand... Normally I would be like.. communications?
reliable? redundant? IRC!... not anymore man..

The conglomerates AOL and MSN and Yahoo are OWNING the
communications mediums, IRC is a rougue network.. We need
mainstream stuff like jabber... It's very extensible and it's open source.

Single point of failure on all of them. What happens to MSN if nexus.passport.com dies? All of a sudden no-one can login. Same thing goes for the other 2. Jabber is admittedly cool though

You guys seem to forget... there's a billion jabber clients, written for every os... in every language... and it looks just like an Aol instant messenger... Imagine having one that was totally your own.

Am I overly presumptious here? I thought we all wanted some
kick butt congregational tools.

What exactly do you want though? I'm currently working on an MSN lib for PHP and have a Mambo integrated IRC bot (that I can't distribute ), you tell me what you want to be able to do and if it's interesting I might do it.

[DeadZen]

Okay... if you're up to it... here's what I'm thinking

I just purchased MAL.
Gives access levels to certain modules.
(Hint: I will purchase things that are kick ***)

What would be great is a module, object oriented
so it could be extended upon so that jabber would
run as a server allowing users to connect that were
valid mambo users. Then... the server could query it
to see if the users status is online... it could query it
further for a buddy list and have that displayed... users
could send messages to the jabber messenger from
jabber clients or the web application. Since jabber
uses transports... that could allow 1 instance to relay
privately, aol, msn, etc...

I know you like a challenge... this certainly is one...
If you think you can hack it... I may have work for you...

On the IRC bit... i don't want to use that as a platform..
I'm very very versed... I have eggdrop bots with 40,000
category AI brains designed by coding eggdrop as a
conduit for alice... so that it could kick you and cuss
you out at the same time ;-)

However, IRC is a dead protocol. It requires too many
commands for "normal" people. Since this is a business
oriented development requirement... IRC is a nogo.

but Jabber.. the xml based extendable messenging server...
Now... that has possibilites.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by DeadZen

Okay... if you're up to it... here's what I'm thinking

I just purchased MAL.
Gives access levels to certain modules.
(Hint: I will purchase things that are kick ***)

I only do free stuff

What would be great is a module, object oriented
so it could be extended upon so that jabber would
run as a server allowing users to connect that were
valid mambo users. Then... the server could query it
to see if the users status is online... it could query it
further for a buddy list and have that displayed...

This has nothing to do with Mambo, the only link between the two would be a modification of the Jabber server to authenticate against the MOS user table. Bearing in mind you can already use Jabber with MySQL as the backend that could be as simple as changing a single SQL statement.

users could send messages to the jabber messenger from jabber clients or the web application. Since jabberuses transports... that could allow 1 instance to relay privately, aol, msn, etc...

The client needs no integration whatsoever into Mambo as all the work is done server side. I'd just embed a Java client in a Mambo component (like I did with MOSPJIRC).

Or do I misunderstand you?