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Originally Posted by nkr1ptd Ah, the "witch hunt" begins again. We took down all the templates. The funny thing is NO ONE wanted any of them. We always end up creating custome templates from scratch. While we dont list all of the template creators, when showing clients possibilities we do leave the authors name, website, etc in the template so clients can see who the author was.
I noticed on your site that you sell custom made templates; however, it is very confusing for people when you purchase a temlate so that it is removed from your site (which I assume means you will not sell it to anyone else, but it is not directly stated on your site), kinda makes it seem as if no one else can purchase that template. |
The terms and conditions listed on my website clearly outline what people are purchasing, and that doesn't involve end-users holding copyright over code. Perhaps, in your haste to lambast people within the Mambo community, you forgot to check them?
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What happens when someone payed you a smaller price to use it and then someone else buys it from you. That is extremely misleading.
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I've never been in the situation you speak of. I have never released copyright control over my design work to
anyone thus far; although I have been approached on numerous occassions to sign over copyright. Currently, nobody has made me an offer that measures up to the value of copyright over code and layout on any of my work.
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You should have listed on your site how many people have purchased each template.
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Under the terms and conditions of sale, I don't need to list how many people purchased whatever template. Perhaps you should rethink your business plan and practise before you go around telling established designers in the Mambo community how to run their business.
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Beyond that, if you use open source tools to create you template then you should credit those authors for without them you would not be able to supply templates to people.
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I do credit people. Take a long look at the GPL templates I release - the changelog lists all the way back to 2001 for some templates.
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If you are releasing templates to the world, then you have no right to tell people how/when/where to use those templates.
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Since I release some of my templates under Creative Commons licencing, I
do retain some rights in regards to whether or not people use my designs commercially, whether or not they attribute the existing code (which they can then modify) to me, and how the people who use my designs can distribute their modified work.
Furthermore, under the GPL itself, it states that copyright is still copyright - under no circumstances can anyone relicence a GPL design and sell it commercially. You have been exposed as doing the latter.
Heck, even Arthur Konze releases templates to the community free, but he still retains copyright over them. Copyright is different than distribution - and the GPL is a way of open, mass distribution of a product.
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I think may find that you are violating the same principals that you feel we are violating. I personally give to several of the open source projects out there. As we grow, I will continue to donate, time and money to those projects and more. I have also been around the open source for quite some time. I dont think Linus, BSD, Sendmail, Apache, etc authors complain about how their products are used by the commercial industry. So why should you? Are you better than everyone else?
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I'm not better than anyone else. I have significant experience in dealing with design piracy, copyright and licencing (GPL, Creative Commons and commercial licencing), since my designs have been pirated quite often.
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Also we recieved you bashing email, and appreciate it very much. I will be kind enough to post it to the forum later today with direct responses.
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I never sent you an email. Is this entire rant directed towards Rejuvinet? If so, why did you answer my question at the beginning (and make this post directed at me)?
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I think maybe you should start giving credit where credit is do on your site as well. I think you not only list mambo, but mysql, apache, any apache modules that your using, the os, email, etc...make sure that you dont leave anyone out because they might get their feelings hurt....I think you will find that many times it is better to NOT list everyone so that you dont forget someone that it is to forget someone.
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If that's so, why doesn't your website have a public link to
Cyberdine Systems for the SK Business template you've modified as your frontpage for appws.com?
Practise what you preach.
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People are quicker to bash people, rather than ask questions to find answer. You have made a lot of assumptions, in this post and your email. Maybe you should look at how you do business and how to make things better than giving someone else a hard time.
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I never sent you an email. Perhaps you have confused me with Dave Daoust of Rejuvinet?
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The is the last time, I will post on this issue. If you guys have problems I suggest that you look at the things that you are doing before casting the first stone.
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I have, and none of the claims you state match anything in my business. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the problems are of your own creation, either through misunderstanding of what the Mambo community is, misunderstanding of licences, or willful ignorance on your part.
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And make sure that you are not living in a glass house.
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I'm not living in a glass house.
Your knowledge of my business has been shown as contradictory to the truth.
Your knowledge of the Mambo community seems limited.
Your knowledge of licencing and copyright law seems almost non-existent.